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Creation Or Re-Creation?

Posted by Mr. Nice Guy on July 24, 2009

I’ve been pondering, debating, and presenting this point of view for a while now. I’m a Christian, but I don’t hold to the view that the earth is less than 7,000 years old.  I believe that mankind may only be 7,000 years old, but this planet has been here for a very long time.  I also hold the view that humans were not the first intelligent race that God created on this planet.  Maybe angels lived on the planet before we did, but that’s all speculation.

What We Know From A Biblical Perspective

According to the Bible water was not created on any of the first seven days. Its already there in Genesis 1:2. We also know that Lucifer is already a fallen angel when we reach Genesis 3. My assumption based on those 2 fact are that whatever happened, happened sometime before verse 2 of Genesis. Most people call it the Gap Theory.

What Does The Ancient Hebrew Say?

Genesis 1:2 – Tohu Va Bohu – Means waste and desolate, ruined and uninhabitable. We translate it, “without form and void”.

There is another translation problem: “Was” should actually be translated “became”. So it should read, “The earth became ruined and uninhabitable.”

I’m not the type of guy that just goes about making claims about the Bible without any scripture to back up my claim.

What Else Does The Bible Say About It?

One thing we have to remember, is that the Bible didn’t have periods, commas, chapters, and verses. It was written almost like one continuous though.

I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.” – Jeremiah 4:23-28

One can make the argument that God is specifically talking to Israel or mankind in general here. There are problems with that theory though. This has never happened in the Bible except in Genesis 1:2. Even at the “end of the age” the world is never completely destroyed. This should also raise the question of “why was darkness upon the face of the deep and the Spirit of God hovering over the water in Genesis?”

What Did God Mean By This?

There is another passage that seems almost out of context when you read it.

“For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.” – Isaiah 45:18

Why would God say that he didn’t create it in vain? Another word for vain is useless, without a purpose. In Genesis, in the Hebrew, we find that the world is uninhabitable, rendering it useless, but in Isaiah, God says He didn’t create it that way.

Does Solomon Know Something About This?

“Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.” – Proverbs 8:31

Wisdom is speaking in this chapter, and you will notice that Wisdom claims to be the first of God’s creation, before the earth or anything else.  What did Wisdom/Solomon mean when he said the “habitable part of His earth?” That clearly implies that some portion was uninhabitable for some reason.  The only problem we have here is that Wisdom rejoiced with the sons of men. Its a problem unless you know that for some reason, angels always appear as men, they are referred to as the sons of God in Genesis 6, Job 1,2, and 38:7.

The Greeks and a few other cultures have a few interesting stories involving multiple creations of mankind. Maybe early mankind recorded their history somehow or it was relayed to these ancient cultures by some means. As far fetched as the theory sounds, there is historical evidence, as far as writing goes, to support the theory.

What Did Adam and Noah Have In Common?

“And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.” Genesis 1:28

“And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.” Genesis 9:1

That’s pretty interesting that God would tell them the same exact thing. If my theory on Genesis 1:2 is correct, God told Adam this after a great judgment was passed on the earth.  Noah was also told this after the judgment of the Flood had just destroyed the earth.

The evidence seems to point to something far greater than most of us want to or care to imagine. I think science and religion can be unified if both sides were to open their hearts and minds to what could have been and what may be to come.

What do you think?

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Jesus and The Trinity

Posted by Mr. Nice Guy on July 24, 2009

Question: Okay here goes…When was Jesus really born, we know America celebrates his birth on Dec. 25th …but wasn’t it closer to spring..or is it possible that it was actually Dec 25th & the weather in Bethlahem(sp?) was spring like….And How do I explain Trinity to a person when I don’t even know how to explain it..I just Believe?

Answer: Dec. 25th was implemented by the Catholic Church as a way to join Christianity with Paganism. That’s why they still pray to Mary, in place of the Queen Mother of Heaven, which was the tradition at the time. The mixed pure Christianity with Pagan traditions to gain converts and its remained the same ever since. You are correct, He was born near spring time because the path they took is nearly impassible during the winter season.

The Trinity is a simple concept. You have a mind, body, and spirit, and people don’t see a problem with that, even though there is only one you.

God The Father was distant in the OT. God the Son came in physical form and lived among mankind. God the Holy Spirit came to live within mankind. So in essence you have mind, body, and spirit of God.

Genesis 1:1 is a perfect example of this. God created the heaven and the earth. The Hebrew word used for God in that verse is Elohim, which is a plural noun, used in the singular, proper form. It implies more than one. Based on the passage, we assume God the Father was present. In verse 2, we see that the Spirit of God is hovering over the water, and if you read John 1:1-14 in the NT, you see that The Word (Jesus – God The Son) was present at the creation, thus explaining the presence of the word Elohim. Hope that helps.

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